Heidi Diaz aka Kimmer
Jimmy Moore aka Low Carb Man
Could this be an example of Six Degrees of Separation?
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Mariasol has received another very curious comment on her blog post...
"Anonymous said...UPDATE # 2:
And another very curious comment on her blog post...
"the other shoe said...
One. Name that tune: "They will not rest, apparently, until Tippy's site and this lady's site and anyplace else current Kimkins members might really fell warmly welcomed is gone."
Two. Name that step.
Three. Name that set which consists of those sets b, bb, hb, jbb, jmb.
February 14, 2008 1:29 PM "
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"Quote:
Originally Posted by Awakened [aka Deni, former Kimkins poster-girl]
What you may not realize is that this whole discussion is only making her words seem more true to anyone who isn't "one of you".
.......
I know you all only want to look at her "angry" words... but I don't think it's fair to only look at someone's anger when they are trying to express themselves in a fair and balanced way. She isn't one sided and mean here.. she is pointing out the negatives AND the positives at LCF...................
I (and BEcky too for that matter) appreciate all the exposing that you have done. I know how hard you all have worked...I've watched it play out right here on this board. But some of you may not realize that sometimes things need to stay BEHIND the scenes in order to actually accomplish things legally. Tipping of the enemy is not always the best game plan.
And when someone points out that you (the Fascination thread heros) aren't above reproach yourselves.. the first reaction is to poke fun at them and laugh at the idea that she might have a tiny bit of truth in her statements."
I even remember one of you complaining of not getting all the $$ you were entitled to for affiliate leads. This was AFTER the fraud. Uhhh...hello? It's money from a fraud, why would you want it? Is that the Christian thing?
But no one brings this stuff up, because everyone here is truly not as mean as they are portrayed. Umm...except me I guess.
And don't count me as one of the "you" here. Because I am not. I am way too blunt and don't do much but lurk here (and sit on my fingers), so my views and especially the way I say them, should in no way reflect anyone here. They are all much nicer than me. "
'Quote: Originally Posted by Tooter
The problem was that we were all called haters by you guys Before your eyes were opened and Becky's post re-enforces that she still feels the same way about "Us/They".'
[ANIPOMONI]:
"Don't forget that people here were attacked at every single, solitary point on this journey. From the very beginning we were haters because we were questioning the pictures. If we (I am including myself here even though I did nothing) just backed away b/c someone said something nasty in her journal.....well, a lot of people would still be following (and working for) kimkins.
[and now I really have to catch up]
ETA: Ok I really should read on before I respond. Just read cleo's post and she totally said what I meant...but much better"
FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, HERE IS AWAKENED'S ORIGINAL POST ON LCF:
"I am probably going to regret this, but I feel that I have to say something on this whole Becky discussion.
What you may not realize is that this whole discussion is only making her words seem more true to anyone who isn't "one of you".
Her words were written ... IN HER JOUNRAL. Isn't she entitled to an opinion? Isn't she entitled to feeling angry at times or hurt or even just plain old grumpy sometimes? In the very first sentence of this "post in question" she said she was upset with LCF people for being "PART" of driving the site out of business. She didn't blame you all for taking it down.. she was mad because you all "directed" Kimmer to it. Obviously none of you knew that Kimmer was going to go and get it shut down.. and obviously none of us knew that KImmer's "reach" wasn't going to last long.
Becky is very mad at KIMMER... and on this particular day you all played a part in giving Kimmer something to get a hold of.
Becky also pointed out that the FAscination thread "has done a lot of good work". She also pointed out that she appreciates the value of the Fascination thread and the good intentions and contributions of many people there.
I know you all only want to look at her "angry" words... but I don't think it's fair to only look at someone's anger when they are trying to express themselves in a fair and balanced way. She isn't one sided and mean here.. she is pointing out the negatives AND the positives at LCF.
She doesn't say she wants the Fascination thread gone. She points out the fact that LCF has the original "HOW TO DO KIMKINS" thread there, and that people are still USING KIMKINS here. I know you all have a problem with that too don't you?
She points out that sometimes you all make remarks about people who are "innocent" in this matter. Can you honestly say that you have never said a rude comment about someone OTHER than Kimmer just to be funny? I think we have all been guilty of doing that at times, and it's wrong to excuse it and think it's okay to hurt someone's feelings "just because".
Becky constantly comes back to the point that KIMMER is the real problem here. Kimmer is who we are after. (we all agree on this right?)
She also has a very valid point in mentioning that SOMETIMES the "WAY" in which this thread goes after or ridicules anyone involved with this whole Kimkins debacle can get out of hand. And whether you would like to believe it or not... more often than not, it's the unneccessary comments that turn MANY people away from listening to your very VALID comments.
I for one can speak for myself in saying that while I was still at Kimkins.. and was totally ignorant about all of the fraud and lies and even unhealthiness... I saw this Fascination thread as a major turn off. I was insulted and disgusted by the tone that this thread often takes. And because I saw "ugliness" I was easily able to right off any "logic" and "truth" that came up inbetween personal stabs.
If it weren't for Becky, I NEVER would have considered that anything written on this site might have some truth to it. And Kimmer knows this. She plays it very well. She feeds the fire and then uses it to her benefit.
I think THIS fact is what Becky was really mad at deep inside. She has watched Heidi USE your tactics for HER benefit over and over again. And it's still happening.I know that you all are caring, strong, and very committed women. I know now that your intentions are the same as mine. (Get Kimkins shut down and Heidi in jail!) But it hurts me to see the way that you all still refuse to admit that you might be stepping on some toes along the way.
I (and BEcky too for that matter) appreciate all the exposing that you have done. I know how hard you all have worked... I've watched it play out right here on this board. But some of you may not realize that sometimes things need to stay BEHIND the scenes in order to actually accomplish things legally. Tipping of the enemy is not always the best game plan.
And when someone points out that you (the Fascination thread heros) aren't above reproach yourselves.. the first reaction is to poke fun at them and laugh at the idea that she might have a tiny bit of truth in her statements.
The saddest part for me, is that I'm actually shaking before hitting the SUBMIT button, because I know that this post might get some of you to say things about me that will hurt my feelings.
I just wish it didn't have to be this way."
AND TOOTER'S POST ON LCF:
"I am Sorry, Awaken, but I don't agree with you.
I don't think Becky is the Enemy and I don't think anyone else here thinks that. I Think she used poor judgement and was hurtful to the very people who saved her butt. I think the other thing that bothers people about this whole thing is that we were to be silent about it. Just like people were with Kimmer. Becky's post came through as "Do As I say and Not as I do".
You don't Vent in a Journal that is public and expect not to offend the people you are talking about. If you truly want something private, you do it in private. Not on a public board. She should have had a private Journal to do her venting.
Then when 2Big4Mysize went to her and tried to reason with her on how it sounded to everyone...She excused and justified her own behavior and people in her own thread were "Yes" people and "Haters" again. Jumped all over 2Big4Mysize. Brings back alot of Kimmer memories for all of us.
As I said before in this thread, Everyone gets burned out, and everyone has said things that they shouldn't at those times. And I do mean "EVERYONE".
The difference is, I see alot of apologies in this thread. I see nothing from Becky.
In the scheme of things, this will be old news by next week. People will still work with her. They just might not have the respect that they once had.That's her choice. If she wants to preach a "Standard" the first thing she must do is live by that Standard.
I think the biggest thing that is upsetting everyone on here and in the Blogs is that She is allowed to say whatever she wants, but we aren't. She's not the hater, WE are.
To people who actually fought for the truth Long before she got involved, that's a huge smack in the face. To say we can't react to that, is another.
Like I said, this will be old news in a few days. The choice is hers in how this all will be remembered."
Anipomoni and Tooter...thank you for stepping into the line of fire and shooting from the hip. Kudos to you both.
LINK TO ANIPOMONI'S POST:
http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/9653617-post2972.html
LINK TO AWAKENED'S POST:
http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/9648994-post2727.html
LINK TO TOOTER'S POST:
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MorganMacLeoid delivers a knock-out punch to Becky!
Here's a portion of Morgan's post on LCF:
"[SNIP]
As for Becky.. I just read her post(s) at the other forum and my jaw hit the desk. First her portrayal of people here at LCF was so totally off the mark and very uncool.
But worse was her next post about "I have done this! and I have done that! and I have done this! and I have done that!" Umm.. yeah ok. No one else has done those things and more? I can go down the list and check them all off aside from exposing Heidi's emails as I never had any emails from Heidi. But I have done everything else on that list as MANY others here have as well. Enough with the martyr contest already, geeze.
We here, well most of us here, were in this long before she "came over to the light" (lol). We had already invested months into the investigation and leg work of it all.. none of that counts? We're all haters? What?
As many of you here may know, I am one of the anti kimkins bloggers. One of the first ones (third actually I think that got any notice at all). I don't tell anyone which blog or give my name on my blog because I don't want to be a martyr or be one of the "untouchables" or anything. I just want this woman stopped and I was highly offended by Becky's posts.So.. anyway.. enough of that.. [SNIP]"
Later on in the thread, Sherrie lc comments on Morgan's post:
"But not only that, all of us here (LCF, blogs etc) worked just as hard, a lot of us have been at it from the beginning when NO-ONE would listen to us and call us haters. When it wasn't cool to be anti-kimmer, not even on LCF, when we had to find proof for everything, cross every t and dot every i, not have it given to us.We were constantly called names and criticised and frankly if we all didn't keep the pressure on everyone when it wasn't cool, they would still be there. Jimmy would still be there, Becky still be there, Christin, Deni etc etc and Kimmer would be much, much richer and a lot more people would be sick, maybe worse. We had nothing to gain by doing this, we just did it because we cared, we saw BS and called them out on it because enough was enough, so we took the hits on the chin and soldiered on.
I say we all deserve a pat on the back, good for us!!!
But another thing that bothered me is 2big, this is someone whom could've come here or to one of the blogs to b*tch about it but instead she chose to go straight to the horses mouth to share her concerns and her head was bitten off for it? Whether they agree with what she said or not, it was nothing viscous or malice, it didn't deserve the reaction it got, they could have talked to her maturely about it rather then just dismiss her like her feelings don't mean anything. To be honest it all reminded me of the old kimmer threads here."
AND THE REASON MORGAN and SHERRIE LC are so upset?
Although I am loathe to post this, it's necessary in order to understand Morgan and Sherrie's comments: From BECKY, formerly of Kimkins):
"And, btw, if anyone has a right to be upset with Kimmer, I do. She lied to me and used me in a way that only a few others in this drama have experienced. (I'm not saying I got the worst, not at all, but I am one of a handful who really got up close and personal in this.)
If anyone has proven they are working to bring Kimmer down, I have.
I initiated the first collaborative email showdown with Kimmer that got her to trip herself up in print.
I quit my job, gave up income and a potential business, and spend many unpaid hours to expose Heidi Diaz and her site now.
I followed up and communicated with all the original Admins who served with me, and helped to persuade them that Kimmer was a dangerous fraud and we needed to quit.
Together with a couple of others, I personally contacted all the second and third groups of Admins she brought in to replace the first of us who left, and persuaded them not to take the position, or to quit.
I am the one who tipped the blogs to the very first found Russian bride, thanks to Cilantro's good work and her telling me first.
I tipped TheTRUTH to much of what was posted there, thanks to key players working undercover at my behest.
I have tipped several of the blogs to a lot of things, in fact. I have also opposed overt maliciousness in the blogs, too, like was leveled against Christin, Deni, KimATC, SingingLass, etc.I have done the legal things we were asked to do, like lawsuit, BBB review, petition, etc.
I have communicated with KTLA reporter Chip Yost, Morning Show producer CJ Lenat, etc.
I am in contact with the attorney almost every day, and supply a lot of info to him.
I also find out a lot from him that I am not telling anyone.
I put Jeannie in touch with the attorney, and helped to make that connection.
I also listened to her with respect, as a fellow human, and took the time to understand her viewpoints, even if i do not always agree.
And I have BEGGED people on both sides to think things through, try to understand all sides, speak with integrity, and behave with dignity and respect.
I admit, I have slammed Kimmer hard, but not falsely or maliciously. (Well, except for the time I called her a freakin' liar, which she is.) But, as far as I recall, I have not been unkind to anyone else.
Anyway, I feel I have earned the right to speak my mind on this, and have my opinions heard."
Although it is taking a great deal of effort on my part, I will refrain from posting my thoughts on Becky's post at this time. That's not to say, however, that I won't let fly in the future.
TO READ BECKY'S FIRST POST THAT STARTED THE BALL ROLLING, CLICK HERE:
BECKY GETS SPANKED...HARD...
LINK TO MORGAN'S POST ON LCF:
http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/9647935-post2672.html
LINK TO SHERRIE LC'S POST ON LCF:
http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/9648414-post2703.html
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In her blog, Winning Weight Loss, Becky crunched some numbers on the daily caloric level that is STILL being promoted at Kimkins. It is truly shocking.
Check Becky's post on Winning Weight Loss here:
http://winningweight.blogspot.com/2007/12/kimkins-via-admin-gary-still.html
Please leave a comment on her blog. Thanks!
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